Dear Moderators
Please could you reconsider the designation of this post as being flagged? I will happily trust your judgement and conclusions. Live feeds from this region are very rare. This insight is not covered on most outlets. It is a subject seemingly of interest to this forum as illustrated by the engagement and upvotes; greater than most of my posts. Thank you so much.
Discussions I have seen on this topic users flag people's responses that they don't like. This site isn't structured for that sort of 'discussion'. The other current related one already has multiple responses flagged dead. I know I don't attempt to post on these discussions anymore other than pointing this out.
What can we do, in addition to what we're already doing? For example, in Norway, the recently elected leading coalition is (mostly) very vocal about ending the genocide. And the sovereign oil fund just divested out of quite a lot of the genocide-profiteers (including Caterpillar, who sell displacement-as-a-service, leading to threats of more tariffs from the US). And there are flotillas of activists trying again and again to sail with aid towards the Gaza strip, getting themselves attacked by drones (even in Tunisian waters, long before reaching Gaza). We donate to savethechildren etc. but most of the aid isn't even allowed in. This is not a case of "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas". The enemies of humanity, decency and righteousness are just so overwhelmingly strong.
you could for example send international force in order to deal with hamas occupation of gaza in a "civilized way, the one that Israel doesn't know how to execute", rescue hostages and to distribute aid to civilians.
but I guess it's easier to just issue proclamations that Israel doesn't do things right. and make "recognition of state of palestine without hamas". where exactly hamas going to go ? evaporate ?
This video feed feels like I'm watching some Adam Curtis b-roll live. Currently the camera, based in Israel, is panning across the land to catch explosions as the plumes of smoke rise, with people talking, music from the radio, or occassional car doors closing in the background.
When forced displacement is paired with food/starvation as a weapon it becomes a genocide. The recent senate report just carefully labels it as a deliberate ethnic cleansing.
Isn't that too slow for live feed? The live feed looks very good quality, and they look like they are sitting in a truck now, so I doubt they can cary starlink antenna
It's bandwidth versus latency. Two different aspects. A live feed going one way works fine over a high('ish) bandwidth link as long as there's no need for interactive (back-and-forth) traffic. See it as a highway. The highway can be very wide with lots of lanes (=bandwidth) but to get from point A to B can cover a large distance (latency)
You're actually actively trying to diminish. I'm going to be nice to you and pretend it's because you don't know the definition of genocide and that it isn't linked to the number of dead people
I'm shocked that this post went into negative points territory. It highlights the sentiment of the community here, that we don't even value the governance that was setup to maintain the checks and balances. An organisation tasked with gathering the evidence, checking the facts and then declaring a conclusion that can then be used arguably to convict war crimes is being criticised, incredible. What has happened to us? Listen, we can be disillusioned with the state of the world, but we have to realise that no solution is black or white, no outcome is immediately rectified, no criminal is caught and prosecuted at the time of the crime. And while we can be critical of the governing bodies created to deal with it, they are there for a reason, because the alternative is a wild wild west we don't want to go back to. What we're witnessing in terms of the starvation, bombardment and heinous acts are something humanity has worked tirelessly to avoid. We need to be optimistic that if not today but soon, this report will actually be used as the evidence to convict the criminals who need to be jailed and punished for their horrific acts against humanity. And to add, that goes for anyone who violates the boundaries set forth and anyone who kills innocent people, for any reason. In Islam, it has been dictated that during war you will not kill innocent people. Even the prisoners of war must be treated fairly. We must remember that individuals, groups, they are not representative of an entire philosophy or people e.g whether one body commits a terrible act in the name of a religion does not mean the people who live in peace and harmony advocate for it. But those who oppress and murder others for decades upon decades, they must be held to account.
Maybe this post also gets buried, but if I didn't speak my truth I couldn't live with myself.
The UN is just a glorified board room for countries to discuss things, it has no executive powers over its permanent security council members and their allies.
Basically, the UN can declare whatever they want, but there's nothing stopping the likes of US and Russia to ignore it and do the opposite of that.
It's the League of Nations all over again. Nothing has been learned.
What is crazy is that, even a denouncement, is coming way too late. Now some countries are, very slowly, starting to talk about what this is: a genocide. It's horrible that it's so slow, and there is so much support or inaction towards the state of Israel.
I say this because I do care about you and your continued existence.
When the October attack happened, much of the west outpoured grief and empathy for Israel.
I knew then what was coming, because I have seen it before, just over two decades ago: that attack hurt Israel more, proportionally, than 9/11 hurt the USA. You, personally, are burning with pain and anger today, it is natural and human if you don't even want to hear a single word that would humanise the Other.
And yet, you are wrong: this is not, and never was, an existential threat to Israel, and that's why Europe is doing things to hold Israel back in Palestine while still supporting Israel against Iran.
To be human is to strike out in anger and vengeance and also look back in shame a generation later when your kids show you today's newspapers and say "you knew". I know why it feels existential, history is replete with examples, but Israel is simply much stronger than Hamas ever was, even with the external support that Hamas gets that in turn makes it entirely justifiable for Israel to totally blockade Palestine (or would, if enough food was getting through).
It took the USA more than a decade to get out of their own way with 9/11, it would be unreasonable to see Israel's national psyche do so any faster.
Just as with the Taliban in the USA, all of Hamas are to the nation of Israel as a few angry wasps are to a picnic: when they sting, they hurt, and you may come up in welts, but it would take hundreds or thousands of them to meaningfully injure their target.
Europe doesn't want Israel to become the same monsters that killed so many millions just on the edge of living memory. Well, most of us don't, at least; it was a sad and slow realisation that plenty of people who give no shits about the Palestinians will still cry crocodile tears for them if it means hurting Israel.
Unfortunately for Israel, some of the latter group are gaining power in the USA, and if the USA becomes Israel's last ally… well, that has potential to become genuinely existential.
Tell my friend whose both parents were murdered in Nir Oz that Hamas isn't an existential threat. Hamas is an existential threat. We cannot live in peace while it exists. We're done tolerating Palestinian aggression. Hamas wasn't an existential threat when it was just rockets, but once they've crossed the border and assaulted our cities where we live they became an existential threat we cannot allow, even if the world screams genocide as we destroy them.
We're not here to win the victimhood competition. This isn't 9/11 where the U.S living peacefully wasn't threatened. If we don't eradicate this threat our cities will be assaulted again.
We're here to live in peace, and if that means eradicating hamas while there are heavy Palestinian casualties, so be it. That's the only option for us to live in peace. This is an existential war for Israel. There are relatively few casualties compared with what would've happened if Israel actually decided to genocide the Palestinians. We could've killed them all if we wanted, but we only fight Hamas as we must do. Eradicating Hamas is a daunting task. We're actually fighting selectively at the cost of our soldiers lives. If the intention was genocide the Palestinians would've been dead by now. The intention is to destroy Hamas at minimum causalities.
i think you're just spewing what you heard on the media and don't really have friends in nir oz. in fact don't think you have many friends. if you really had friends in nir oz, i apologize for the wrong assumption and in sorry for the loss. but then you would know exactly why hamas exist as it is territory taken in 48.
It is not safe to flee south of Gaza, there is no infrastructure there to support millions of refugees! Refugees should go to Israel, it is much better equip to host refugees from this conflict!
Please keep your bigotry out of HN. Palestinian refugees in Gaza must be allowed to return to their homelands inside occupied Palestine and Gazans obviously should be allowed to stay in Gaza.
Dear Moderators Please could you reconsider the designation of this post as being flagged? I will happily trust your judgement and conclusions. Live feeds from this region are very rare. This insight is not covered on most outlets. It is a subject seemingly of interest to this forum as illustrated by the engagement and upvotes; greater than most of my posts. Thank you so much.
Discussions I have seen on this topic users flag people's responses that they don't like. This site isn't structured for that sort of 'discussion'. The other current related one already has multiple responses flagged dead. I know I don't attempt to post on these discussions anymore other than pointing this out.
We will look back at this moment in our history and wonder how we let it happen.
What can we do, in addition to what we're already doing? For example, in Norway, the recently elected leading coalition is (mostly) very vocal about ending the genocide. And the sovereign oil fund just divested out of quite a lot of the genocide-profiteers (including Caterpillar, who sell displacement-as-a-service, leading to threats of more tariffs from the US). And there are flotillas of activists trying again and again to sail with aid towards the Gaza strip, getting themselves attacked by drones (even in Tunisian waters, long before reaching Gaza). We donate to savethechildren etc. but most of the aid isn't even allowed in. This is not a case of "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas". The enemies of humanity, decency and righteousness are just so overwhelmingly strong.
you could for example send international force in order to deal with hamas occupation of gaza in a "civilized way, the one that Israel doesn't know how to execute", rescue hostages and to distribute aid to civilians.
but I guess it's easier to just issue proclamations that Israel doesn't do things right. and make "recognition of state of palestine without hamas". where exactly hamas going to go ? evaporate ?
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This video feed feels like I'm watching some Adam Curtis b-roll live. Currently the camera, based in Israel, is panning across the land to catch explosions as the plumes of smoke rise, with people talking, music from the radio, or occassional car doors closing in the background.
Also, this got flagged. Weird.
Can’t let reality ruin the mood.
Forced Displacement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_displacement
When forced displacement is paired with food/starvation as a weapon it becomes a genocide. The recent senate report just carefully labels it as a deliberate ethnic cleansing.
https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/van_hollen_me...
Also a UN commission of inquiry.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/16/israel-committ...
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Israel really doesn't like being exposed like this.
They'll claim it's a Hamas camera, then bomb it, probably killing some of the people nearby it.
The camera is filming from within Israel.
There's another camera in Wadi Gaza showing people fleeing northern Gaza toward the south. From about 1h26m onwards.
yep, this is the one that I saw. There is another one in Isreal itself which is a smart move, no way will they bomb that.
>no way will they bomb that.
Are you sure?
I doubt they would bomb their own country.
I doubt that doubt. They have had no trouble shooting their own hostages.
Where do they got internet connectivity?
I know there is Paltel in West Bank; but I don't know if they are still operating in Gaza.
Jawwal who are owned by Paltel.
Starlink?
Isn't that too slow for live feed? The live feed looks very good quality, and they look like they are sitting in a truck now, so I doubt they can cary starlink antenna
It's bandwidth versus latency. Two different aspects. A live feed going one way works fine over a high('ish) bandwidth link as long as there's no need for interactive (back-and-forth) traffic. See it as a highway. The highway can be very wide with lots of lanes (=bandwidth) but to get from point A to B can cover a large distance (latency)
This is a GENOCIDE
There is no other word
Not to diminish, but there would be more Armenians, jews, Cambodians, Tutsi, koulaks if all genocides were like this.
You're actually actively trying to diminish. I'm going to be nice to you and pretend it's because you don't know the definition of genocide and that it isn't linked to the number of dead people
It is officially declared a genocide by the UN commission.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go
I'm shocked that this post went into negative points territory. It highlights the sentiment of the community here, that we don't even value the governance that was setup to maintain the checks and balances. An organisation tasked with gathering the evidence, checking the facts and then declaring a conclusion that can then be used arguably to convict war crimes is being criticised, incredible. What has happened to us? Listen, we can be disillusioned with the state of the world, but we have to realise that no solution is black or white, no outcome is immediately rectified, no criminal is caught and prosecuted at the time of the crime. And while we can be critical of the governing bodies created to deal with it, they are there for a reason, because the alternative is a wild wild west we don't want to go back to. What we're witnessing in terms of the starvation, bombardment and heinous acts are something humanity has worked tirelessly to avoid. We need to be optimistic that if not today but soon, this report will actually be used as the evidence to convict the criminals who need to be jailed and punished for their horrific acts against humanity. And to add, that goes for anyone who violates the boundaries set forth and anyone who kills innocent people, for any reason. In Islam, it has been dictated that during war you will not kill innocent people. Even the prisoners of war must be treated fairly. We must remember that individuals, groups, they are not representative of an entire philosophy or people e.g whether one body commits a terrible act in the name of a religion does not mean the people who live in peace and harmony advocate for it. But those who oppress and murder others for decades upon decades, they must be held to account.
Maybe this post also gets buried, but if I didn't speak my truth I couldn't live with myself.
The UN is just a glorified board room for countries to discuss things, it has no executive powers over its permanent security council members and their allies.
Basically, the UN can declare whatever they want, but there's nothing stopping the likes of US and Russia to ignore it and do the opposite of that.
It's the League of Nations all over again. Nothing has been learned.
It also spent the last few years making the problems out there worse. They are themselves complicit in this outcome.
There are no winners in this conflict on either side.
>There are no winners in this conflict on either side.
There is ONE winner here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
I think we all know this, it's very obvious.
What is crazy is that, even a denouncement, is coming way too late. Now some countries are, very slowly, starting to talk about what this is: a genocide. It's horrible that it's so slow, and there is so much support or inaction towards the state of Israel.
Still, IT IS A GENOCIDE.
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US's & Germany's greatest ally.
Current US president wants to build golf resorts with golden statues of himself!
If anything, US citizens who emigrated to Israel, have great share of responsibility!
>If anything, US citizens who emigrated to Israel, have great share of responsibility!
What about AIPAC members? Which is about 80% of congress.
Genocide live stream. What a time to be alive.
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I say this because I do care about you and your continued existence.
When the October attack happened, much of the west outpoured grief and empathy for Israel.
I knew then what was coming, because I have seen it before, just over two decades ago: that attack hurt Israel more, proportionally, than 9/11 hurt the USA. You, personally, are burning with pain and anger today, it is natural and human if you don't even want to hear a single word that would humanise the Other.
And yet, you are wrong: this is not, and never was, an existential threat to Israel, and that's why Europe is doing things to hold Israel back in Palestine while still supporting Israel against Iran.
To be human is to strike out in anger and vengeance and also look back in shame a generation later when your kids show you today's newspapers and say "you knew". I know why it feels existential, history is replete with examples, but Israel is simply much stronger than Hamas ever was, even with the external support that Hamas gets that in turn makes it entirely justifiable for Israel to totally blockade Palestine (or would, if enough food was getting through).
It took the USA more than a decade to get out of their own way with 9/11, it would be unreasonable to see Israel's national psyche do so any faster.
Just as with the Taliban in the USA, all of Hamas are to the nation of Israel as a few angry wasps are to a picnic: when they sting, they hurt, and you may come up in welts, but it would take hundreds or thousands of them to meaningfully injure their target.
Europe doesn't want Israel to become the same monsters that killed so many millions just on the edge of living memory. Well, most of us don't, at least; it was a sad and slow realisation that plenty of people who give no shits about the Palestinians will still cry crocodile tears for them if it means hurting Israel.
Unfortunately for Israel, some of the latter group are gaining power in the USA, and if the USA becomes Israel's last ally… well, that has potential to become genuinely existential.
Tell my friend whose both parents were murdered in Nir Oz that Hamas isn't an existential threat. Hamas is an existential threat. We cannot live in peace while it exists. We're done tolerating Palestinian aggression. Hamas wasn't an existential threat when it was just rockets, but once they've crossed the border and assaulted our cities where we live they became an existential threat we cannot allow, even if the world screams genocide as we destroy them.
We're not here to win the victimhood competition. This isn't 9/11 where the U.S living peacefully wasn't threatened. If we don't eradicate this threat our cities will be assaulted again.
We're here to live in peace, and if that means eradicating hamas while there are heavy Palestinian casualties, so be it. That's the only option for us to live in peace. This is an existential war for Israel. There are relatively few casualties compared with what would've happened if Israel actually decided to genocide the Palestinians. We could've killed them all if we wanted, but we only fight Hamas as we must do. Eradicating Hamas is a daunting task. We're actually fighting selectively at the cost of our soldiers lives. If the intention was genocide the Palestinians would've been dead by now. The intention is to destroy Hamas at minimum causalities.
> If the intention was genocide the Palestinians would've been dead by now. The intention is to destroy Hamas at minimum causalities.
It is a genocide, no matter how much rhetoric you spew. Actions speak more than words.
i think you're just spewing what you heard on the media and don't really have friends in nir oz. in fact don't think you have many friends. if you really had friends in nir oz, i apologize for the wrong assumption and in sorry for the loss. but then you would know exactly why hamas exist as it is territory taken in 48.
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It is not safe to flee south of Gaza, there is no infrastructure there to support millions of refugees! Refugees should go to Israel, it is much better equip to host refugees from this conflict!
NO BORDERS!!
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Please keep your bigotry out of HN. Palestinian refugees in Gaza must be allowed to return to their homelands inside occupied Palestine and Gazans obviously should be allowed to stay in Gaza.