I really dislike the attitude that open source maintainers should adapt their code to comply with any bullshit requirements from random companies just so they can use the code.
Be grateful that someone wrote code for you to use freely.
On the plus side, adding profanity once it is scanned for sounds like another way to weed out some commercial use without explicitly weeding out some commercial use..
That could be handy to an already annoyed maintainer.
And I suspect that it is not an accident, and that the founders were well-aware that "Peor(ia)" carries negative connotations not only for Jews and Christians (Nm 23-25, Dt 3), but also for anyone who spoke Spanish--it would be like "Let's move to Shitty Heresy-Scandal Town? No thanks!"
If it's open source everyone is allowed to create derivative works. That includes companies with a stick up their ass. They should get their shit together and god damn fork it themselves. Or if everyone able to do it left because of this type of bullshit they can put their money where their mouth is and fucking pay someone to maintain a 'cleaned up' fork on their behalf.
> For your information, bad language is banned in most organizations and, therefore, if you are interested in having adoption of your Open Source, it is good practice to avoid such language.
> If you are not willing to receive contributions from the community, if you are not interested in your Open Source contribution gaining adoption, or if you prefer people to sign special agreements to make contributions, perhaps you are better off closing down your repository, making it private.
How about, if I release something for free, that I made on my own time, anyone can feel free not to use it if they don't like how I've written it.
I don't think I've even sworn in a public repo. I try to keep it professional. But if I did, and someone has a problem with it, they can write their own fucking software. They're not paying me to cater to their whims.
You forgot the “Hope this helps. Ciao!”, which is where I briefly had my vision go red and heard the phantom war cries of my ancestors skirling up from the depths
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This is managerware. The company behind this focuses on generating bills of materials for software projects. They're targeting checklist based management.
Some people got upset that the default dictionary for some compression standard, I believe Brotli, which you practically have to use and ship for compatibility with standard servers, contains words like "fuck". That's the kind of people that would like their software chain to be swear-free, just in case a customer hits ctrl+u on their React application and reports seeing all kinds of naughty words to upper management.
I try to use profanity rarely in public writings, and then usually to demonstrate a specific point.
Anyone who goes through the trouble of implementing a profanity filter that would prevent them from seeing something I've written is probably someone I wouldn't want to deal with anyway. That is, if a rare cuss word offends their delicate sensibilities, other things I say would likely give them an aneurysm. Ergo, me occasionally cursing may be good for both parties if it keeps me off their radar.
"As you have marked your project as Open Source, it's important to maintain a professional and respectful tone throughout the codebase."
The only proper response to this is: "No. It's not. Fuck you. Fuck your mother, and fuck the fucking horse you rode in on, may you eat shit for the rest of your days and choke on it."
I mean, who even comes up with notions like this? What law of universe is there that dictates what attitude I must have when marking my software as open source?
I'm not sure if others can see the comments of mine "marked as abuse"
Those are
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Oh! Looks like I still had my response to your bot open, so here was my raw, unfiltered, and (Oh no!) vulgar original thoughts, before I toned it down to comment here:
@scanoss
OOPS! Did I swear in my own repo? My bad.
Cursing, and how the open source community represents itself, are - and I can not stress this enough - not a business-polite thing. You're welcome to fork (Within my license terms) and remove them, but given part of open source and a healthy hacker ethos is the counter-culture vibe that made the technology I'm sure even you yourselves use possible, you can
[in fancy unicode text, unsensored] Go F* yourselves
What you're doing is not helpful to the OSS community, it's helpful to your business partners that profit off open source, and given the trend in industry, do so typically without giving back. You want to do something meaningful? Drop a recurring sponsorship of my website so I can take more time to write guides and cool things using whatever language I choose to best convey my intent and feelings.
Hey @agustingroh it looks like you're the most frequent committer on SCANOSS repos, thought I'd nudge this to get some attention brought to it. Still awaiting an apology myself, though at this point needing to ask for it makes it rather moot personally, it would still be nice for everyone else SCANOSS spam'd.
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How they decided that second one is "abuse" is beyond me, but as you can see, while a bit less vulgar, I was, indeed, pissed off.
> "No. It's not. Fuck you. Fuck your mother, and fuck the fucking horse you rode in on, may you eat shit for the rest of your days and choke on it."
That's the quiet part you're not supposed to say out loud on Github, because the language police that made the issue will get salty and get your account restricted.
I don't understand. ScanOSS has a bot that scans ScanOSS's own repo, so what's the issue?
What I see is that the bot was badly programmed and it did not ignore quoted text, so the first automated report triggered another bot response which quoted the swear word which triggered the bot a third time.
They are/were scanning random public projects and creating unsolicited bugs in those projects to chide them about profanity in their source code. The linked thread is just a bunch of the victims of that spam having some fun with the format.
Exactly. When I made that comment I never thought It'd go this for or that the CTO of a ScanOSS would be this dense, so the opening of the thread is admittedly a bit confusing. I still had the email from the bot's original issue being opened, so I thought I'd point out their hypocrisy.
Who asked for this? Who demanded this? What is the problem that these people are trying to solve? What I'm trying to say is what the fuck is wrong with these people?
Account created today, using the username "quiquetdl". Google that user name. Only other account is "Quique Goñi (quiquetdl)" on Pinterest. Google ""Quique" Goñi ScanOSS"
Oh, quique.goni@scanoss.com exists. HM. I wonder if maybe you might have some bias in this?
What CoC did we violate, by the way? You're the ones who came into my repo with a bot and used a bot to tell me not to swear. Which, again, is a violation of GH TOS.
I have not falsified information, impersonated anyone, or extorted anyone. If I have, I welcome you to show it. Make a blog post, post it here, whatever.
Hell, sue me. I've emailed you guys with my personal email a few times and offered to call on Zoom or with phone.
As for "or their guardians" I'm an adult, though given you're pretending not be associated with your employer I'm questioning if anyone at ScanOSS is.
I do actually see the reason.
Not sure if you've had real human interactions before, but I'm pretty sure that forcing behaviours on people are usually not going to give you a good result (unless it's a "the writer's barely disguised fetish" situation), I've read what the comments of the repository said and found no evidence of extortion, impersonation or anything.
Also, not sure why did you immediately assume the users could be minors?.
By the way I'm not judging you, just my personal opinions of what the fudge is happening (else you would need to also censor me if i said fuck instead of fudge, this ain't the TVGuardian your parent might have used when you were little).
quiquetdl There’s no point in trying to challenge those who think that knowing how to use ChatGPT makes them programmers, and that using Google and social media makes them feel like Columbo. (If you had to Google who Columbo is, you’re probably one of them.) I’ve been a lawyer for 30 years and have spent the last 20 years leading an OSPO in an organization with 210 employees. I believe SCANOSS may have made a minor mistake with its automated reporting, which could potentially go against GitHub’s rules. While the goal of the 'experiment' is completely valid, the method may not be. However, under no circumstances does this justify filling a collaborative repository (with no relevant connection) with insults and excessive aggression.
> Quique Goñi:
I’m joining this discussion because within my organization, we use the purl2cpe repository daily. To leave a comment, you need to create an account, as I just did. The account creation process is far too simple and lacks proper authentication measures, meaning anyone could easily impersonate someone else."
> justify filling a collaborative repository (with no relevant connection) with insults and excessive aggression.
It's SCANOSS's fork.
> which could potentially go against GitHub’s rules
Not potentially, it does.
> we use the purl2cpe repository daily
Great, but not this fork. This fork is from SCANOSS, and I chose a repo which hard cursing (albeit due a dependency) to make my point of their hypocrisy.
> challenge those who think that knowing how to use ChatGPT makes them programmers
You really ought to look at who has commented in that thread, from well known cryptographers to other business owners. Attacking the people, rather than discussing the topic at hand, won't get us anywhere. I have not once accused SCANOSS of being bad programmers, bad at their job, etc. because, frankly, they're probably not. It's, seemingly, a successful business with reasonable development procedures. It's just that it seems they're in desperate need of ethics and PR knowledge.
> meaning anyone could easily impersonate someone else.
Interesting, from another account made just now, to be the only other defending SCANOSS. I don't think anybody impersonated Quique, because unlike SCANOSS, nobody - that I've talked to at least - is coming from a place of malice. We simply want an apology and acknowledgment wrong was done.
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Honestly, this entire comment was confusing, and written in a style that makes me suspect of it's legitimacy, as ironic as that is.
> Great, but not this fork. This fork is from SCANOSS, and I chose a repo which hard cursing (albeit due a dependency) to make my point of their hypocrisy.
Sorry to inform you that you did comments on the original repo
> Interesting, from another account made just now, to be the only other defending SCANOSS. I don't think anybody impersonated Quique, because unlike SCANOSS, nobody - that I've talked to at least - is coming from a place of malice. We simply want an apology and acknowledgment wrong was done.
Please, read carefully. I said that I have created the account few minutes ago just to reply. If you are trying to say that I am a SCANOSS employee, no, I am not and I am not interested in (and I do not need it). As far as I know, Quique is very popular nickname in spanish/portiguese speaking countries and tdl is the short subfix for Trusted Digital Life. I invite you read on books (real ones, not google)
> Honestly, this entire comment was confusing, and written in a style that makes me suspect of it's legitimacy, as ironic as that is.
You are free to suspect whatever you want. You're free to do as you wish, as long as your actions towards society are guided by respect and proper conduct. You will not find other defending SCANOSS because SCANOSS does not need it. SCANOSS customers and collaborators are not interested on this kids play (I am mom and have two kids, that is why I wrote here ;-))
> These same individuals have made comments that range from violating the code of conduct of an open project to falsifying information, impersonation, and even extortion
What the actual fuck.
If someone is doing ACTUAL crimes like that you report them to the real authorities. And not open a GitHub Issue.
But we know they’re not actually doing those things are anything like it. They have four letter words in their code and you’re insane.
You just opened this account, either fake or you’re an actual SCANOSS employee, to try to damage control against your boss’s goofy scanner that embarrassed him.
> These same individuals have made comments that range from violating the code of conduct of an open project to falsifying information, impersonation, and even extortion
What the actual fuck.
If someone is doing ACTUAL crimes like that you report them to the real authorities. And not open a GitHub Issue.
But we know they’re not actually doing those things are anything like it. They have four letter words in their code and you’re insane.
I really dislike the attitude that open source maintainers should adapt their code to comply with any bullshit requirements from random companies just so they can use the code. Be grateful that someone wrote code for you to use freely.
On the plus side, adding profanity once it is scanned for sounds like another way to weed out some commercial use without explicitly weeding out some commercial use..
That could be handy to an already annoyed maintainer.
I thought that's why they named those cities with suggestive names, to keep out other (literal) religions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercourse,_Pennsylvania#In_p...
There are multiple places named Peoria, such as IL, named after a native American group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoria,_Illinois
And I suspect that it is not an accident, and that the founders were well-aware that "Peor(ia)" carries negative connotations not only for Jews and Christians (Nm 23-25, Dt 3), but also for anyone who spoke Spanish--it would be like "Let's move to Shitty Heresy-Scandal Town? No thanks!"
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You could sell a commercial license to a "swear free" version, haha.
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I hope that any response would be very colourful indeed.
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If it's open source everyone is allowed to create derivative works. That includes companies with a stick up their ass. They should get their shit together and god damn fork it themselves. Or if everyone able to do it left because of this type of bullshit they can put their money where their mouth is and fucking pay someone to maintain a 'cleaned up' fork on their behalf.
</rant>
What do you mean “put in effort”????
It’s open source, that means you do the work, and we get the outputs of your effort plus support when we require it, all for free, duh.
Clearly, if you didn’t want to do that, you wouldn’t have made it open source!
/s
Goes straight onto my list of "software I will never use". Wasting the time of maintainers is not cool.
The dev's own comment (https://github.com/scanoss/purl2cpe/issues/24#issuecomment-2...) is infuriating:
> For your information, bad language is banned in most organizations and, therefore, if you are interested in having adoption of your Open Source, it is good practice to avoid such language.
> If you are not willing to receive contributions from the community, if you are not interested in your Open Source contribution gaining adoption, or if you prefer people to sign special agreements to make contributions, perhaps you are better off closing down your repository, making it private.
How about, if I release something for free, that I made on my own time, anyone can feel free not to use it if they don't like how I've written it.
I don't think I've even sworn in a public repo. I try to keep it professional. But if I did, and someone has a problem with it, they can write their own fucking software. They're not paying me to cater to their whims.
You forgot the “Hope this helps. Ciao!”, which is where I briefly had my vision go red and heard the phantom war cries of my ancestors skirling up from the depths
What the fuck! What a naïve yet narcissistic and arrogant mind.
It’s almost as if it’s a school project, written by a student. “Write something on x topic with y constraints to get the grade”
Who the fuck uses software like this? Not me.
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This is managerware. The company behind this focuses on generating bills of materials for software projects. They're targeting checklist based management.
Some people got upset that the default dictionary for some compression standard, I believe Brotli, which you practically have to use and ship for compatibility with standard servers, contains words like "fuck". That's the kind of people that would like their software chain to be swear-free, just in case a customer hits ctrl+u on their React application and reports seeing all kinds of naughty words to upper management.
If you ban one word of profanity people will invent others with the same meaning to avoid filters.
I try to use profanity rarely in public writings, and then usually to demonstrate a specific point.
Anyone who goes through the trouble of implementing a profanity filter that would prevent them from seeing something I've written is probably someone I wouldn't want to deal with anyway. That is, if a rare cuss word offends their delicate sensibilities, other things I say would likely give them an aneurysm. Ergo, me occasionally cursing may be good for both parties if it keeps me off their radar.
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Simply use Github's mechanisms to Report Abuse
https://support.github.com/contact/report-abuse?category=rep...
This should save some time hunting for the link in GitHub's UI
"As you have marked your project as Open Source, it's important to maintain a professional and respectful tone throughout the codebase."
The only proper response to this is: "No. It's not. Fuck you. Fuck your mother, and fuck the fucking horse you rode in on, may you eat shit for the rest of your days and choke on it."
I mean, who even comes up with notions like this? What law of universe is there that dictates what attitude I must have when marking my software as open source?
I'm not sure if others can see the comments of mine "marked as abuse"
Those are
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Oh! Looks like I still had my response to your bot open, so here was my raw, unfiltered, and (Oh no!) vulgar original thoughts, before I toned it down to comment here:
@scanoss
OOPS! Did I swear in my own repo? My bad.
Cursing, and how the open source community represents itself, are - and I can not stress this enough - not a business-polite thing. You're welcome to fork (Within my license terms) and remove them, but given part of open source and a healthy hacker ethos is the counter-culture vibe that made the technology I'm sure even you yourselves use possible, you can
[in fancy unicode text, unsensored] Go F* yourselves
What you're doing is not helpful to the OSS community, it's helpful to your business partners that profit off open source, and given the trend in industry, do so typically without giving back. You want to do something meaningful? Drop a recurring sponsorship of my website so I can take more time to write guides and cool things using whatever language I choose to best convey my intent and feelings.
That project was https://github.com/VegaDeftwing/opinionatedguide in case you interested in fucking sponsoring me <3 I would really fucking appreciate it!
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Hey @agustingroh it looks like you're the most frequent committer on SCANOSS repos, thought I'd nudge this to get some attention brought to it. Still awaiting an apology myself, though at this point needing to ask for it makes it rather moot personally, it would still be nice for everyone else SCANOSS spam'd.
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How they decided that second one is "abuse" is beyond me, but as you can see, while a bit less vulgar, I was, indeed, pissed off.
> I'm not sure if others can see the comments of mine "marked as abuse"
They can, but they need to be logged in and manually click on 'show comment'.
> "No. It's not. Fuck you. Fuck your mother, and fuck the fucking horse you rode in on, may you eat shit for the rest of your days and choke on it."
That's the quiet part you're not supposed to say out loud on Github, because the language police that made the issue will get salty and get your account restricted.
Which is why I say it here and not there.
God forbid if the bot hit any repos of those using Brain Fuck.
I don't understand. ScanOSS has a bot that scans ScanOSS's own repo, so what's the issue?
What I see is that the bot was badly programmed and it did not ignore quoted text, so the first automated report triggered another bot response which quoted the swear word which triggered the bot a third time.
They are/were scanning random public projects and creating unsolicited bugs in those projects to chide them about profanity in their source code. The linked thread is just a bunch of the victims of that spam having some fun with the format.
Thanks for clarifying, I was puzzled.
The first comment in the thread is a victim of ScanOSS's spam mocking them by opening an issue in their repo following the same format as their bot.
Exactly. When I made that comment I never thought It'd go this for or that the CTO of a ScanOSS would be this dense, so the opening of the thread is admittedly a bit confusing. I still had the email from the bot's original issue being opened, so I thought I'd point out their hypocrisy.
Pretty funny thread, thanks for sharing. No idea what they are thinking...
Fuck the taught police and the horse it rode in on with a dull chainsaw.
If one of my GH repos gets one of these issues, I'll wear it like a badge of honor
...tho I also wish I can get a cookie with it too that would be nice
Who asked for this? Who demanded this? What is the problem that these people are trying to solve? What I'm trying to say is what the fuck is wrong with these people?
Wankerware
I'd suggest they consider renaming the bot PearlClutcherOSS; it would be a better explanation of what its contribution to the FOSS community is.
I say fuck 'em.
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Account created today, using the username "quiquetdl". Google that user name. Only other account is "Quique Goñi (quiquetdl)" on Pinterest. Google ""Quique" Goñi ScanOSS"
Oh, quique.goni@scanoss.com exists. HM. I wonder if maybe you might have some bias in this?
What CoC did we violate, by the way? You're the ones who came into my repo with a bot and used a bot to tell me not to swear. Which, again, is a violation of GH TOS.
I have not falsified information, impersonated anyone, or extorted anyone. If I have, I welcome you to show it. Make a blog post, post it here, whatever.
Hell, sue me. I've emailed you guys with my personal email a few times and offered to call on Zoom or with phone.
As for "or their guardians" I'm an adult, though given you're pretending not be associated with your employer I'm questioning if anyone at ScanOSS is.
I do actually see the reason. Not sure if you've had real human interactions before, but I'm pretty sure that forcing behaviours on people are usually not going to give you a good result (unless it's a "the writer's barely disguised fetish" situation), I've read what the comments of the repository said and found no evidence of extortion, impersonation or anything. Also, not sure why did you immediately assume the users could be minors?. By the way I'm not judging you, just my personal opinions of what the fudge is happening (else you would need to also censor me if i said fuck instead of fudge, this ain't the TVGuardian your parent might have used when you were little).
quiquetdl There’s no point in trying to challenge those who think that knowing how to use ChatGPT makes them programmers, and that using Google and social media makes them feel like Columbo. (If you had to Google who Columbo is, you’re probably one of them.) I’ve been a lawyer for 30 years and have spent the last 20 years leading an OSPO in an organization with 210 employees. I believe SCANOSS may have made a minor mistake with its automated reporting, which could potentially go against GitHub’s rules. While the goal of the 'experiment' is completely valid, the method may not be. However, under no circumstances does this justify filling a collaborative repository (with no relevant connection) with insults and excessive aggression.
> Quique Goñi: I’m joining this discussion because within my organization, we use the purl2cpe repository daily. To leave a comment, you need to create an account, as I just did. The account creation process is far too simple and lacks proper authentication measures, meaning anyone could easily impersonate someone else."
> justify filling a collaborative repository (with no relevant connection) with insults and excessive aggression.
It's SCANOSS's fork.
> which could potentially go against GitHub’s rules
Not potentially, it does.
> we use the purl2cpe repository daily
Great, but not this fork. This fork is from SCANOSS, and I chose a repo which hard cursing (albeit due a dependency) to make my point of their hypocrisy.
> challenge those who think that knowing how to use ChatGPT makes them programmers
You really ought to look at who has commented in that thread, from well known cryptographers to other business owners. Attacking the people, rather than discussing the topic at hand, won't get us anywhere. I have not once accused SCANOSS of being bad programmers, bad at their job, etc. because, frankly, they're probably not. It's, seemingly, a successful business with reasonable development procedures. It's just that it seems they're in desperate need of ethics and PR knowledge.
> meaning anyone could easily impersonate someone else.
Interesting, from another account made just now, to be the only other defending SCANOSS. I don't think anybody impersonated Quique, because unlike SCANOSS, nobody - that I've talked to at least - is coming from a place of malice. We simply want an apology and acknowledgment wrong was done.
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Honestly, this entire comment was confusing, and written in a style that makes me suspect of it's legitimacy, as ironic as that is.
> Great, but not this fork. This fork is from SCANOSS, and I chose a repo which hard cursing (albeit due a dependency) to make my point of their hypocrisy. Sorry to inform you that you did comments on the original repo > Interesting, from another account made just now, to be the only other defending SCANOSS. I don't think anybody impersonated Quique, because unlike SCANOSS, nobody - that I've talked to at least - is coming from a place of malice. We simply want an apology and acknowledgment wrong was done. Please, read carefully. I said that I have created the account few minutes ago just to reply. If you are trying to say that I am a SCANOSS employee, no, I am not and I am not interested in (and I do not need it). As far as I know, Quique is very popular nickname in spanish/portiguese speaking countries and tdl is the short subfix for Trusted Digital Life. I invite you read on books (real ones, not google) > Honestly, this entire comment was confusing, and written in a style that makes me suspect of it's legitimacy, as ironic as that is. You are free to suspect whatever you want. You're free to do as you wish, as long as your actions towards society are guided by respect and proper conduct. You will not find other defending SCANOSS because SCANOSS does not need it. SCANOSS customers and collaborators are not interested on this kids play (I am mom and have two kids, that is why I wrote here ;-))
> These same individuals have made comments that range from violating the code of conduct of an open project to falsifying information, impersonation, and even extortion
What the actual fuck.
If someone is doing ACTUAL crimes like that you report them to the real authorities. And not open a GitHub Issue.
But we know they’re not actually doing those things are anything like it. They have four letter words in their code and you’re insane.
You just opened this account, either fake or you’re an actual SCANOSS employee, to try to damage control against your boss’s goofy scanner that embarrassed him.
> These same individuals have made comments that range from violating the code of conduct of an open project to falsifying information, impersonation, and even extortion
What the actual fuck.
If someone is doing ACTUAL crimes like that you report them to the real authorities. And not open a GitHub Issue.
But we know they’re not actually doing those things are anything like it. They have four letter words in their code and you’re insane.