A reminder Israel has both universal healthcare and tuition free university...and voted yesterday to give $255 million to ultra-Orthodox programs and institutions, including yeshivas...that actually refuse to engage in military conscription...
Israel, the nation state, came into being in 1948, with the explicit financial and military aid of the United States to do so. It has had American support since within hours of its founding.
"At the end of 1948, 53% of Israel's Jewish population was insured, about 80% of them by Clalit, with a few small health funds insuring the remainder. In the following years, Israel's healthcare system was expanded, and within a decade, about 90% were insured."
Universal healthcare became a thing in 1995, it seems.
To be fair here, what people often overlook by using Israel's current government as a reference point is that during the Kibbutz era Israel was decidedly left-wing. So I wouldn't necessarily attribute the presence of 90% or later 100% health care to US money.
Ah yes...the criticizing Israel is antisemitic argument...
"I stand behind the Israeli soldiers; whether there are children or women, it doesn't matter to me if there is damage. There are no innocent civilians in Jenin" - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWWUmuFDgqP/
the OP wrote that the money went to Israel instead of the American healthcare system. The argument is old, like 1500 years old, "of course the jews stole it!"
Canadian health care system is garbage, but at least we don't blame jews for that (for now).
They rely on the US defense umbrella and do not significantly invest in their own defense.
They host two US bases with significant air assets (in Seville and Cadiz). Pretty sure those agreements don't say "And you can tell us what to do with our defense assets whenever you want".
"To this end, Spain grants to the United States of America the use of operational and support installations and grants authorizations for use of Spanish territory, territorial sea and airspace for purposes within the bilateral or multilateral scope of this Agreement. Any use beyond these purposes will require the prior authorization of the Government of Spain."
"Aircraft flying logistics missions, operated by or for the United States forces, other than those in paragraph 1, not carrying VIPs, HAZMAT or cargo or passengers that might be controversial to Spain may overfly, enter or exit Spanish airspace and use the bases specified in Annex 2 on quarterly blanket overflight clearances authorized by the Permanent Committee."
I want to say upfront that I'm absolutely not trying to say Spain should or even needs to join this silly war.
But the US not being allowed to use the bases it pays and maintains for Spain makes it questionable why it does so in the first place. Iran is in fact a threat relevant to NATO considering most of it is/was within ballistic missile range. It's also a simple fact that Iran's manufacturing base has been supporting Russia's war machine, which has been a key contributing factor in the Ukrainian stalemate. There is some genuine strategic overlap.
Restricting air space on top of that, makes me, originally a more sympathetic American NATO supporter, question the dynamics here. Why should the US help Spain when it's in need in a future conflict?
I don't want Isreal dragging us into wars for it's personal benefit. But this whole conflict has really got me realizing I don't want Europe dragging us into any wars either. The only transactional benefit to those air bases is that they power American global logistics. If this becomes a pattern then I think NATO will likely become nothing more than a nuclear umbrella, even after Trump leaves office. And only as a hedge against nuclear proliferation.
People take for granted that Biden was technically the most Pro-NATO president we have ever had, and likely ever will.
Is it ok now to call the US electorate suckers?
"US Republicans consider health care cuts to fund Iran war" - https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-republicans-consider-he...
A reminder Israel has both universal healthcare and tuition free university...and voted yesterday to give $255 million to ultra-Orthodox programs and institutions, including yeshivas...that actually refuse to engage in military conscription...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/opposition-mks-voted-to-alloca...
> Israel has both universal healthcare and tuition free university
This is both wrong and off topic.
Israel health care is funded by a 5% additional income tax tier. non working people pay a significant fixed annual fee.
University is not free. $5K for the public institutions - which have limited admissions. $10K for many of the spill over private institutions.
Now - about those space lasers ....
> Is it ok now to call the US electorate suckers?
I don't think you have to wait for 2026 on that one.
Ah, reminds of old Soviet joke/song. "if no water is in tap, then the Jews drunk it".
Scapegoating is a trait of weak minded.
There would be no public education nor healthcare in Israel without US money.
Israel has had public education and public healthcare forever, even going back when US had no colored and jews signs in their public spaces.
> Israel has had public education and public healthcare forever…
This also applies to US aid.
Nope, Israel had it much earlier.
Israel, the nation state, came into being in 1948, with the explicit financial and military aid of the United States to do so. It has had American support since within hours of its founding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Israel#State_of_...
"At the end of 1948, 53% of Israel's Jewish population was insured, about 80% of them by Clalit, with a few small health funds insuring the remainder. In the following years, Israel's healthcare system was expanded, and within a decade, about 90% were insured."
Universal healthcare became a thing in 1995, it seems.
To be fair here, what people often overlook by using Israel's current government as a reference point is that during the Kibbutz era Israel was decidedly left-wing. So I wouldn't necessarily attribute the presence of 90% or later 100% health care to US money.
Ah yes...the criticizing Israel is antisemitic argument...
"I stand behind the Israeli soldiers; whether there are children or women, it doesn't matter to me if there is damage. There are no innocent civilians in Jenin" - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWWUmuFDgqP/
the OP wrote that the money went to Israel instead of the American healthcare system. The argument is old, like 1500 years old, "of course the jews stole it!" Canadian health care system is garbage, but at least we don't blame jews for that (for now).
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Europe is currently being invaded by Russia and your idea for a "hardliner" course is to start sending Russia money?
Europe is sending repressive gulf monarchies money. Europe is sending LNG money to the US that threatened to invade Greenland.
New account for spreading misinformation?
The comment contained one opinion (Ukraine war was provoked) that is shared by the Trump administration which also started the Iran war.
The rest are all verifiable facts. The official statement is now that Ukraine blew up Nord Stream. The rest is obvious.
But interest groups censor the truth, don't reply with arguments and simply point out account age as if Russia could not curate 10 year old accounts.
Looks like a rinse and repeat, create new account to spread more lies
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Should Spain get to run US airspace?
If not, why does the US get to run Spain's?
What do you mean "allow"? Spain is a sovereign state, this is their decision alone.
Who is „we“ in this context?
> It's kinda crazy we allow countries like Spain
It's crazy that we recognize country's right to determine the use of their own airspace??? Are you serious?
They rely on the US defense umbrella and do not significantly invest in their own defense.
They host two US bases with significant air assets (in Seville and Cadiz). Pretty sure those agreements don't say "And you can tell us what to do with our defense assets whenever you want".
> Pretty sure those agreements don't say "And you can tell us what to do with our defense assets whenever you want".
Of course they do.
https://es.usembassy.gov/agreement-on-defense-cooperation/
"To this end, Spain grants to the United States of America the use of operational and support installations and grants authorizations for use of Spanish territory, territorial sea and airspace for purposes within the bilateral or multilateral scope of this Agreement. Any use beyond these purposes will require the prior authorization of the Government of Spain."
"Aircraft flying logistics missions, operated by or for the United States forces, other than those in paragraph 1, not carrying VIPs, HAZMAT or cargo or passengers that might be controversial to Spain may overfly, enter or exit Spanish airspace and use the bases specified in Annex 2 on quarterly blanket overflight clearances authorized by the Permanent Committee."
I want to say upfront that I'm absolutely not trying to say Spain should or even needs to join this silly war.
But the US not being allowed to use the bases it pays and maintains for Spain makes it questionable why it does so in the first place. Iran is in fact a threat relevant to NATO considering most of it is/was within ballistic missile range. It's also a simple fact that Iran's manufacturing base has been supporting Russia's war machine, which has been a key contributing factor in the Ukrainian stalemate. There is some genuine strategic overlap.
Restricting air space on top of that, makes me, originally a more sympathetic American NATO supporter, question the dynamics here. Why should the US help Spain when it's in need in a future conflict?
I don't want Isreal dragging us into wars for it's personal benefit. But this whole conflict has really got me realizing I don't want Europe dragging us into any wars either. The only transactional benefit to those air bases is that they power American global logistics. If this becomes a pattern then I think NATO will likely become nothing more than a nuclear umbrella, even after Trump leaves office. And only as a hedge against nuclear proliferation.
People take for granted that Biden was technically the most Pro-NATO president we have ever had, and likely ever will.
US defense from... who exactly?
And of course, the US bases are guests in Spain, a favor the Spanish are doing for their friends. They're still expected to follow their hosts rules.