I built my own script to get a seat near the middle and towards the back at the Metreon but so far I have not seen many available. My guess is checking 15 minutes is too slow. And also I've been getting rate-limited by Cloudflare. Not sure if I want to pour more resources into getting around it.
The Metreon is running IMAX 70MM showings for 24 hours straight today started at 3AM, [half hour for previews, 3 hour movie, half hour cleanup], then 7AM, 11AM, 3PM, 7PM, 11PM and one on Sunday at 3AM and all showings are basically full. It is crazy.
+1 to the AMC Metreon being one of the toughest. Of all the theaters I'm monitoring, it's probably in the top 3 of fewest seats opening up. My best guess is that SF is just a market where demand far exceeds supply.
But I am seeing a few every day, and I'm guessing it will get better after opening weekend too. My system checks every 10 mins leading up to 24 hours before showing, then ramps up to every 60 seconds.
Re: Cloudflare - not sure if you're trying to hit AMC's site directly or an alternative. Either way, the first library I reach for in that situation is curl_cffi https://github.com/lexiforest/curl_cffi
The IMAX screenings are pre-committed to future movies -- it might be the case that Spider-Man takes over in two weeks and the window for The Odyssey is closed, even if more people want to see The Odyssey in IMAX than Spider-Man.
If the ticket sales show that demand difference, they'll often flip back. e.g. I missed Project Hail Mary in imax because they bumped it for the Mario movie, but if I'd waited an extra week they swapped back to Project Hail Mary in the imax theatre, presumably due to relatively low ticket sales for imax Mario.
On the backlog! The first data provider I integrated with only supports the US.
My advice in the meantime: Codex and Claude Code are much better at correctly reading theater and airline seatmaps than they used to be. If you've got a personal plan / one via your employer, I've had good results just asking them to set a schedule to watch a seatmap directly
Hey HN! 150,000 people bought IMAX tickets to see The Odyssey the first day they went on sale. I was not one of them. So I built a site to watch every 70mm IMAX screening in the US and alert me when good seats open up.
I was able to see The Odyssey yesterday in 70mm, and it had a preview of Dune 3.
I wasn't planning to see Dune 3, but that preview made me want to see it.
Can we monitor seat availability on Dune 3 70mm as well? Maybe a beta? I think right now it's just the 4 days of early release tickets, all 100% sold out of course.
That's in book four (God Emperor). Yeah I can't really imagine that being a good film. Messiah, on the other hand, despite being hard to read does have lots of action.
Isn't it Dune Messiah? The book is terrible and I've never managed to make it through a second time. Children and especially God Emperor I enjoyed quite a lot, though.
No I dont, and you're quite correct. I'm one of those weirdos who thinks The Lord of the Rings movies were better because they left out some things from the books, so I'm happy with both.
Oddly enough, I sort of appreicated the David Lynch movie more after the recent movies because not what I'm older, I sort of undersgand how hard it would be to make a movie anyways.
I found leaving out Alia way worse than leaving out Bombadil. Alia is one of the best things about the Lynch film, but for some reason precocial infant characters are a no no in Hollywood these days. I assume she will skip straight to being a teen played by an adult in part 3.
(As I wrote this I realised I could just look it up, she'll be played by 30 year old.)
Internal monologue is also a no no currently, which meant no banquet scene, which is one of the best parts of the book.
Yes!! I'd say I'm probably already 85-90% of the way there for a service that monitors seatmaps for other 70mm IMAX movies too. And I, too, will want Dune 3 IMAX tickets. Was already considering keeping this going for sure
No idea what "dual 70mm" is, but it's not IMAX. IMAX is a very specific and unique end to end capture and presentation format. It's quite an experience but I wouldn't worry about it too much. If you can see a 70mm presentation it will be stunning regardless.
On the backlog! My initial data provider only supports the US. I think there are only two 70mm IMAX theaters in BC, right? My advice in the meantime: Chrome + Codex / Claude Code are pretty good at keeping an eye on things for smaller data sets like this
There are only 3 screens in the UK; I've accepted I won't be going. I'm glad I got to see The Dark Knight Rises and Tenet in the BFI IMAX, though. The latter was during COVID and we had a whole row to ourselves. I don't even mind that these aren't the greatest films. IMAX is more of a spectacle in its own right and a great film will still be great on any screen.
You’re right, they COULD letterbox Nolan’s movie. They won’t.
Nolan filmed in IMAX. It could just be reduced in size, as you suggested by letterboxing, for standard screens. But they won’t. They don’t want you experiencing the full size movie on a standard screen. They want you to go to IMAX because it costs more.
It’s not about the experience. It’s about money.
It’s no different than car manufacturers of the 1980s selling a base model vehicle with hand crank windows. They could have used the same assembly line to cheaply install machine powered windows for every vehicle of that model, but they intentionally did things to push customers towards more expensive models.
To be fair, I expect audiences on average prefer fullscreen over letterboxing. Consider back when widescreen content was becoming common, but many people still had 4:3 displays - my experience was that people then generally defaulted to fullscreen 4:3 with widescreen content.
> Waste of time to get these alerts for a movie that has no historical accuracy or value.
The odyssey itself wasn't trying to be historically accurate; it's basically fantasy. Why would you expect that a movie adaptation would be historically accurate?
In this context, the book itself is the history rather than the story as a foundational western narrative. The movie diverge in many grounds from the book, and it is sad that most people will only watch the movie rather than read the original work.
The movie is essentially a total rewrite that uses nothing more than the poem's title and character names. Few other details, motives, lessons, or tensions were retained. It should have been called The Odyssey: A Parody.
It is worth mentioning that the original poem was never intended as a strict historical account. One can retell history through a few different lenses: from the perspective of a neutral investigator, from a cultural perspective, or through the literature inspired by that history. The Odyssey was a mythic epic in that third style.
Homer's original poem was written down after many generations of oral tradition in Greek culture around 3,000 years ago. That it survived is a testament to the cultural value of the details, motives, lessons, and tensions embedded within The Odyssey. None of those values made it into the movie.
The issue is not simply the (laughable) liberties taken with casting or the historical inaccuracies. The movie deviated so far from Homer’s vision of a heroic, faithful, and tragic King of Ithaca that calling it The Odyssey is fundamentally dishonest.
Homer’s Odysseus feared and fought gods and mythological creatures while longing for home (nostos, the word where "nostalgia" is rooted). He was confident and clever (metis) and didn’t waste words.
By contrast, Nolan’s Odysseus is a war-haunted loser whose deep trauma and guilt manifest as a brooding, obsessive narcissism focused on securing his throne, people, and his woman.
This movie may indeed be a hit at the theaters, but it is not The Odyssey. It is a parody.
Look, given that the so-called "original work" is in ancient Greek, I don't think any ordinary American today is going to take the time and effort to actually "read the original work".
Even if you were to learn the Greek language well enough to "understand" the original book, you wouldn't really understand it, would you? Because it makes so many intertwined culture references, to the landscape, to the gods and myths of the period. So, what is better: for people to sit down and try to grind through the book, or to make a living production as a modern adaptation, for modern audiences to enjoy?
Furthermore, the Odyssey would have been performed by a singer or poet in its time. People in Greece wouldn't have been reading it on paper! That would be absurd even then! So, it would already be a performance, an interpretation, and it would surely be adapted by those performers to the place-and-time. There is surely a lot of space between the oral tradition that Homer originated to the written word.
Personally, I have immensely enjoyed O Brother, Where Art Thou? as a modern adaptation to Americana. I cannot pretend to understand the original, or the intricacies of the Coen Brothers' adaptation, but I love the performances, the singalong songs, and the production values of the modern film, and it gives me more insight and appreciation for the ancient epic as it was.
The language is not the problem here, I also cannot understand ancient greek. Let aside the casting, it impose a modern morality instead of the original moral arguments. The movie portrays Odysseus in a completely different manner. Homer's Odysseus is intelligent, deceitful, resilient, cruel... While in the movie Nolan's "modern" themes served rather than Homer's original.
I don't know if I am the only one, but it feels like trying to rewrite a historical epic with someone's own themes. I don't say one is better or worse, but it just doesn't feel right.
I built my own script to get a seat near the middle and towards the back at the Metreon but so far I have not seen many available. My guess is checking 15 minutes is too slow. And also I've been getting rate-limited by Cloudflare. Not sure if I want to pour more resources into getting around it.
The Metreon is running IMAX 70MM showings for 24 hours straight today started at 3AM, [half hour for previews, 3 hour movie, half hour cleanup], then 7AM, 11AM, 3PM, 7PM, 11PM and one on Sunday at 3AM and all showings are basically full. It is crazy.
+1 to the AMC Metreon being one of the toughest. Of all the theaters I'm monitoring, it's probably in the top 3 of fewest seats opening up. My best guess is that SF is just a market where demand far exceeds supply.
But I am seeing a few every day, and I'm guessing it will get better after opening weekend too. My system checks every 10 mins leading up to 24 hours before showing, then ramps up to every 60 seconds.
Re: Cloudflare - not sure if you're trying to hit AMC's site directly or an alternative. Either way, the first library I reach for in that situation is curl_cffi https://github.com/lexiforest/curl_cffi
Yeah I'm directly calling the GQL. For some reason it is only doing the check for today's seats. Very weird.
Will probably do a blog post / video about my setup at some point. In the meantime, DM me on Twitter and I can share more about what's working for me
Is this a very limited release or why not just give it a few weeks and you'll get seats without any trouble?
The IMAX screenings are pre-committed to future movies -- it might be the case that Spider-Man takes over in two weeks and the window for The Odyssey is closed, even if more people want to see The Odyssey in IMAX than Spider-Man.
If the ticket sales show that demand difference, they'll often flip back. e.g. I missed Project Hail Mary in imax because they bumped it for the Mario movie, but if I'd waited an extra week they swapped back to Project Hail Mary in the imax theatre, presumably due to relatively low ticket sales for imax Mario.
A theater near me has 70mm showings. I have to imagine they'll find a time/way to fit showings (at $25/ticket!) until demand drops.
For the theaters near me, 70mm IMAX showings even a few weeks out still had only crummy seats. Also, I'm impatient and want to see it soon!
There's only 25 theaters in the US that even have 70MM IMAX projectors, so it is indeed pretty limited.
FOMO.. it makes people do weird things like this.
Just look at Labubu's.
When we watched that South Park episode, my wife had to explain to me that those were real and not a made up thing for the show
Is this weird? Helping others?
What a fun website.
This feels like a sort of flashback to how the web used to be in some ways.
This is awesome - and I love the look.
Can you add England/Europe listings? :)
On the backlog! The first data provider I integrated with only supports the US.
My advice in the meantime: Codex and Claude Code are much better at correctly reading theater and airline seatmaps than they used to be. If you've got a personal plan / one via your employer, I've had good results just asking them to set a schedule to watch a seatmap directly
Agreed. It would be nice if it supported London.
Hey HN! 150,000 people bought IMAX tickets to see The Odyssey the first day they went on sale. I was not one of them. So I built a site to watch every 70mm IMAX screening in the US and alert me when good seats open up.
More details on Twitter: https://x.com/andrewtorkbaker/status/2078540178713629119
I was able to see The Odyssey yesterday in 70mm, and it had a preview of Dune 3.
I wasn't planning to see Dune 3, but that preview made me want to see it.
Can we monitor seat availability on Dune 3 70mm as well? Maybe a beta? I think right now it's just the 4 days of early release tickets, all 100% sold out of course.
I say this as a fan of Frank Herbert, and I've read all the Dune books:
Thank god the Dune 3 movie looks like it isn't a strict adaptation of "Children of Dune".
I read the main trilogy many years back; why would a faithful adaptation be a problem?
In the book, Paul's nine-year-old son fuses baby sandworm larvae to his skin and becomes a worm-god-human-face weirdo.
I mean, I've seen Apocalypse Now, but I suspect the movie of that would be... unique.
That's in book four (God Emperor). Yeah I can't really imagine that being a good film. Messiah, on the other hand, despite being hard to read does have lots of action.
Isn't it Dune Messiah? The book is terrible and I've never managed to make it through a second time. Children and especially God Emperor I enjoyed quite a lot, though.
Yes it is.. I'm glad that it seems that he's cherry-picking the good bids from a few books to give us a potentially good movie.
You're not implying that the two firsts were strict adaptations in any way or shape, are you?
No I dont, and you're quite correct. I'm one of those weirdos who thinks The Lord of the Rings movies were better because they left out some things from the books, so I'm happy with both.
Oddly enough, I sort of appreicated the David Lynch movie more after the recent movies because not what I'm older, I sort of undersgand how hard it would be to make a movie anyways.
I found leaving out Alia way worse than leaving out Bombadil. Alia is one of the best things about the Lynch film, but for some reason precocial infant characters are a no no in Hollywood these days. I assume she will skip straight to being a teen played by an adult in part 3.
(As I wrote this I realised I could just look it up, she'll be played by 30 year old.)
Internal monologue is also a no no currently, which meant no banquet scene, which is one of the best parts of the book.
What's sad is that you can't help but wonder what Lynch could have achieved with the same runtime/monetary budget as Villeneuve...
(I like the first LotR movie and disliked the others btw; lost that "picturesque" quality and got too many battle scenes)
Yes!! I'd say I'm probably already 85-90% of the way there for a service that monitors seatmaps for other 70mm IMAX movies too. And I, too, will want Dune 3 IMAX tickets. Was already considering keeping this going for sure
I have seen a local theater advertising 70mm dual projection (but not mentioning IMAX) and another one IMAX. Will there be a difference?
Though to say with that description. Can you link the specific theatre?
No idea what "dual 70mm" is, but it's not IMAX. IMAX is a very specific and unique end to end capture and presentation format. It's quite an experience but I wouldn't worry about it too much. If you can see a 70mm presentation it will be stunning regardless.
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Please add Vancouver BC
On the backlog! My initial data provider only supports the US. I think there are only two 70mm IMAX theaters in BC, right? My advice in the meantime: Chrome + Codex / Claude Code are pretty good at keeping an eye on things for smaller data sets like this
> I think there are only two 70mm IMAX theaters in BC, right?
There are a number in Canada: Scotiabank Chinook & IMAX – Calgary, AB; Scotiabank Edmonton & IMAX – Edmonton, AB; Cineplex Cinemas Langley & IMAX – Langley, BC; Cineplex Cinemas Mississauga & IMAX – Mississauga, ON; Cineplex Cinemas Vaughan & IMAX – Woodbridge, ON ;Kramer IMAX, Saskatchewan Science Centre – Regina, SK; Cineplex Cinemas Bayers Lake & IMAX – Halifax, NS; SilverCity Riverport Cinemas & IMAX – Richmond, BC; Cinéma Banque Scotia Montréal & IMAX – Montréal, QC
Most of these theatres are run by Cineplex:
* https://www.cineplex.com/movie/imax70-the-odyssey-the-imax-e...
* https://www.imax.com/en/ca/news/the-odyssey-in-imax-70mm-fil...
Except for one at the Saskatchewan Science Centre:
* https://www.sasksciencecentre.com/the-odyssey-the-imax-exper...
Not sure what your dataset is, but this is the most complete/up-to-date imax dataset I've found: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1cyI-fqsYDf8W5t...
There are only 3 screens in the UK; I've accepted I won't be going. I'm glad I got to see The Dark Knight Rises and Tenet in the BFI IMAX, though. The latter was during COVID and we had a whole row to ourselves. I don't even mind that these aren't the greatest films. IMAX is more of a spectacle in its own right and a great film will still be great on any screen.
do i need to learn any ancient history stuff to make this more enjoyable. no rush to watch it.
love exploring ancient history so can read/watch long documenatries and stuff if you have any recommendations ( hopefuly with no spoilers).
Read the book, I hear it’s quite good. Here is a good translation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey_(Emily_Wilson_translat...
Can someone explain why they don't just add black bars on the side and show in filmed format?
They do. They show it in regular theaters (I saw it yesterday in one and was underwhelmed but that's another story).
You do lose a lot of the picture as it was intended to be viewed by the director, of course. But closest IMAX was too far.
Why don't they letterbox it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterboxing_(filming)
You’re right, they COULD letterbox Nolan’s movie. They won’t.
Nolan filmed in IMAX. It could just be reduced in size, as you suggested by letterboxing, for standard screens. But they won’t. They don’t want you experiencing the full size movie on a standard screen. They want you to go to IMAX because it costs more.
It’s not about the experience. It’s about money.
It’s no different than car manufacturers of the 1980s selling a base model vehicle with hand crank windows. They could have used the same assembly line to cheaply install machine powered windows for every vehicle of that model, but they intentionally did things to push customers towards more expensive models.
To be fair, I expect audiences on average prefer fullscreen over letterboxing. Consider back when widescreen content was becoming common, but many people still had 4:3 displays - my experience was that people then generally defaulted to fullscreen 4:3 with widescreen content.
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You're never going to watch it, but you're waiting for it to be on Netflix? You can start not watching it already.
Also cracks me up that, for this person, wokeness is what ruined... [ checks notes ] The Devil Wears Prada 2...
The grievances know no bounds
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> Waste of time to get these alerts for a movie that has no historical accuracy or value.
The odyssey itself wasn't trying to be historically accurate; it's basically fantasy. Why would you expect that a movie adaptation would be historically accurate?
In this context, the book itself is the history rather than the story as a foundational western narrative. The movie diverge in many grounds from the book, and it is sad that most people will only watch the movie rather than read the original work.
I agree totally.
The movie is essentially a total rewrite that uses nothing more than the poem's title and character names. Few other details, motives, lessons, or tensions were retained. It should have been called The Odyssey: A Parody.
It is worth mentioning that the original poem was never intended as a strict historical account. One can retell history through a few different lenses: from the perspective of a neutral investigator, from a cultural perspective, or through the literature inspired by that history. The Odyssey was a mythic epic in that third style.
Homer's original poem was written down after many generations of oral tradition in Greek culture around 3,000 years ago. That it survived is a testament to the cultural value of the details, motives, lessons, and tensions embedded within The Odyssey. None of those values made it into the movie.
The issue is not simply the (laughable) liberties taken with casting or the historical inaccuracies. The movie deviated so far from Homer’s vision of a heroic, faithful, and tragic King of Ithaca that calling it The Odyssey is fundamentally dishonest.
Homer’s Odysseus feared and fought gods and mythological creatures while longing for home (nostos, the word where "nostalgia" is rooted). He was confident and clever (metis) and didn’t waste words.
By contrast, Nolan’s Odysseus is a war-haunted loser whose deep trauma and guilt manifest as a brooding, obsessive narcissism focused on securing his throne, people, and his woman.
This movie may indeed be a hit at the theaters, but it is not The Odyssey. It is a parody.
> rather than read the original work.
Look, given that the so-called "original work" is in ancient Greek, I don't think any ordinary American today is going to take the time and effort to actually "read the original work".
Even if you were to learn the Greek language well enough to "understand" the original book, you wouldn't really understand it, would you? Because it makes so many intertwined culture references, to the landscape, to the gods and myths of the period. So, what is better: for people to sit down and try to grind through the book, or to make a living production as a modern adaptation, for modern audiences to enjoy?
Furthermore, the Odyssey would have been performed by a singer or poet in its time. People in Greece wouldn't have been reading it on paper! That would be absurd even then! So, it would already be a performance, an interpretation, and it would surely be adapted by those performers to the place-and-time. There is surely a lot of space between the oral tradition that Homer originated to the written word.
Personally, I have immensely enjoyed O Brother, Where Art Thou? as a modern adaptation to Americana. I cannot pretend to understand the original, or the intricacies of the Coen Brothers' adaptation, but I love the performances, the singalong songs, and the production values of the modern film, and it gives me more insight and appreciation for the ancient epic as it was.
The language is not the problem here, I also cannot understand ancient greek. Let aside the casting, it impose a modern morality instead of the original moral arguments. The movie portrays Odysseus in a completely different manner. Homer's Odysseus is intelligent, deceitful, resilient, cruel... While in the movie Nolan's "modern" themes served rather than Homer's original.
I don't know if I am the only one, but it feels like trying to rewrite a historical epic with someone's own themes. I don't say one is better or worse, but it just doesn't feel right.
Incredible comment. The success of this movie is driving people insane. There was no reason this had to be a culture war.
great work!!
Thank you - let me know if you snag some seats!